Having thought about it after seeing the name Steve Grossman in some liner notes.
When I was in school 100 years ago
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He was definitely supposed to be 'The Next Big Thing' which did not happen.
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bluenoter wrote:What I wonder is, the next big thing---and the current big thing---in whose perception? Ours (insofar as quite a few of us have similar enthusiasms and preferences)? If not, then whose, and what are the criteria? For example, I thought of Joshua Redman as having had his career fizzle out. But when I Googled him, I saw that he's been active all along, steadily putting out albums and performing. (I also think of erstwhile
---cough!---"young lions" whose names, indeed, I can't recall.)
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Once said to be the next big thing and became the next big thing but no longer are:
Ben Allison
Sabir Mateen
Chris Potter
Nasheet Waits
The next big thing and the current big thing:
Tony Malaby, and I'm on board all the way
steve(thelil) wrote:Tony Malaby is a wonderful musician, but he's just not what the phrase "Next Big Thing" refers to.
bluenoter wrote:steve(thelil) wrote:Tony Malaby is a wonderful musician, but he's just not what the phrase "Next Big Thing" refers to.
And he never was? What do you take to be the accepted definition of "Next Big Thing," then?
Screw 'em!steve(thelil) wrote:I could be wrong, but I don't think Malaby is even known by most casual jazz fans.
steve(thelil) wrote:Mike didn't define "Next Big Thing" by saying Steve Grossman fit the description. Mike's point was that people predicted Grossman would be the "Next Big Thing"....AND THAT HE NEVER WAS...
(PS. I've seen Malaby live....and wasn't as impressed as you two were.)
bluenoter wrote:In this case, whether Grossman fulfilled the prediction is irrelevant. By your definition of "Next Big Thing," he wouldn't have qualified as the subject of such a prediction
bluenoter wrote:steve(thelil) wrote:Mike didn't define "Next Big Thing" by saying Steve Grossman fit the description. Mike's point was that people predicted Grossman would be the "Next Big Thing"....AND THAT HE NEVER WAS...
(PS. I've seen Malaby live....and wasn't as impressed as you two were.)
In this case, whether Grossman fulfilled the prediction is irrelevant. By your definition of "Next Big Thing," he wouldn't have qualified as the subject of such a prediction.
Re Malaby: He performs in a million ever-changing contexts; I'm not surprised that you weren't knocked out by him (as leader, composer, improviser, and player) on the basis of a few (I assume) performances. If you haven't heard Adobe, an old album of his, I can say only that it's what sold me on Malaby, and at first listen. Then again, tastes vary. You wrote in #8 that he's "a wonderful musician," though, so yes---great, shmate.
steve(thelil) wrote:bluenoter wrote:In this case, whether Grossman fulfilled the prediction is irrelevant. By your definition of "Next Big Thing," he wouldn't have qualified as the subject of such a prediction
Are you saying that nobody even predicted renown for Grossman? Please explain.
steve(thelil) wrote:I thought it was pretty clear in context that "Greatness Shmateness" referred to it not being relevant to the subject of whether he was the Not Big Thing. Which is why my "Malaby is a wonderful musician" was a clarification and not a self-contradiction.
But please continue arguing with what wasn't said.
bluenoter wrote:so yes---great, shmate.
steve(thelil) wrote:Steve is apparently unfamiliar with the expression "the Next Big Thing"
Christopher Holliday isn't.
Pete C wrote:Later on Grossman developed a more Rollins-like tone on tenor. There's a good album on Dreyfus with the McCoy Tyner trio.
Pete C wrote:I never knew Grossman was ever the next big thing. I do remember when I heard Elvin's Live at the Lighthouse with Grossman & Liebman I called it Elvin Jones and the Two Jewish Coltranes. Later on Grossman developed a more Rollins-like tone on tenor. There's a good album on Dreyfus with the McCoy Tyner trio.
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