The Prog Thread

[Gentle Giant]

Perhaps not much enthusiasm for such a thread, but for those of us who love our progressive rock (for me, it was a natural and easy "progression" for me to go from Yes to Return to Forever to Miles Davis, thus getting into jazz from prog's back door), there might be grounds for interesting discussion.

I'll begin. Last night I saw the latest incarnation of King Crimson. Sporting three drummers (only one of whom, Gavin Harrison, was really necessary); Mel Collins (Crimson ca. 1970-71) on soprano, alto, tenor, and bari sax, and flute; the ubiquitous and always extraordinary Tony Levin; Crimson tribute band player Jakko (gtr, vox), and, of course, Robert Fripp, the ensemble tackled an unusually broad swath of Crimson musical history, including material from In the Court of the Crimson King, In the Wake of Poseidon, Islands, a generous stroll through the Bruford-Wetton 73-74 era, taking a surprisingly complete pass at the Discipline era, and some latter-day tunes I wasn't as familiar with.

Highlights were Mel Collins taking over and improving on David Cross' violin parts on the 73-74 material, as well as his fierce blowing throughout; Levin making magic from an assortment of basses and the Chapman Stick; Fripp unleashing the full force of his prodigious technique; and Harrison's truly astounding drum solo.

I didn't really buy into the three-drummer thing (and one of the drummers, Pat Mastelotto, I really dislike) as it was more visually interesting than musically interesting, but as Fripp has always said, King Crimson is a way of doing things; and the thing that makes Crimson to me the greatest of all the prog outfits, is that it never does it the same twice.

[BFrank]

A friend who lives in the Boston area saw that show and was blown away. I'm considering seeing them here in SF, but I would have to buy tix through StubHub and they're pretty pricey. Having said that, it sounds like a great show and definitely something worth seeing.

BTW, the 3rd drummer is Bill Riflin who took over from Bill Berry in REM.

[Ron Thorne]

I always dug King Crimson, too! In fact, we played some tracks of theirs on KJZZ when I worked there, and they sounded just fine in that context when segued with the proper jazz cut. Tony Levin is a true "monster" on his instruments! Also Fripp, of course. I'm envious, GG.

I also enjoyed some of the recordings from Soft Machine a lot.

I hope this thread reveals others favorites from this genre.

[Steve Reynolds]

Thanks for the write up, Jason

I'm a huge fan of the early Crimson up through and especially the 73-74 band. I even sprung for the 20 CD box Road to Red last December. I didn't go due to the three drummers but I wish I did based on your comments that they played a good amount of the material I love.

Do you know which tunes they played from In the Court through Red?

I am especially interested what they might have played from Islands of if they played sons of the more astonishing music from Larks Tounges in Aspic or Starless and Bible Black - like Exiles, Easy Money or The Great Deceiver.

And of course I'm wondering if they brought out either Fracture or the ultimate Crimson piece, Starless

[Gentle Giant]

A friend who lives in the Boston area saw that show and was blown away. I'm considering seeing them here in SF, but I would have to buy tix through StubHub and they're pretty pricey. Having said that, it sounds like a great show and definitely something worth seeing.

BTW, the 3rd drummer is Bill Riflin who took over from Bill Berry in REM.

I understand the economics of concert-going, believe me, but trust me when I say you will receive value for the ticket price. Two solid hours of music that you're not likely to hear live by any of the principals again.

As I told my friend after the show, Pat M is a rock drummer who mainly augmented the percussives with accented banging and crashing, Bill Riflin played much more in a jazz vein with interesting ride patterns and also took on some mellotron responsibilities, and Gavin Harrison was really the progmeister, channeling Bill Bruford most effectively and taking on the most challenging parts. Some tunes, a particular drummer or pair took on an enhanced role while one or another was less involved; and on other tunes, there were clearly delineated parts that the three took on together to create an interesting whole. It wasn't a total failure but Harrison was really all that was needed. It was very interesting to see the three drummers upstage, with the "front line" players set up in the back.

[Gentle Giant]

Thanks for the write up, Jason

I'm a huge fan of the early Crimson up through and especially the 73-74 band. I even sprung for the 20 CD box Road to Red last December. I didn't go due to the three drummers but I wish I did based on your comments that they played a good amount of the material I love.

Do you know which tunes they played from In the Court through Red?

I am especially interested what they might have played from Islands of if they played sons of the more astonishing music from Larks Tounges in Aspic or Starless and Bible Black - like Exiles, Easy Money or The Great Deceiver.

And of course I'm wondering if they brought out either Fracture or the ultimate Crimson piece, Starless

Hi Steve. Believe it or not, I actually thought of you during the show. I recall you posting years ago that you considered KC perhaps the only rock band who could truly improvise, or something to that effect. My impression is that you would have appreciated this show.

So as not to be a spoiler for anyone who intends to see the show, here is a link to the setlist I saw last night: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/king-crimson/2014/colonial-theatre-boston-ma-13cfd995.html

[Steve Reynolds]

I also realize I could get tickets for 9/20 or 9/21 - only an hour away for me

[Steve Reynolds]

I won't spoil it for anyone as I would think the band will not vary that much but there are 3 or 4 huge surprises - compositions that have not been played for 40 years and and 2 or 3 that have never been played live. One being the great tune "One More Red Nightmare"

So I spoiled just a little.

If I do go, I would buy great tickets and it would be worth the $500 I would spend.

Maybe I do some selling to my wife tonight......

[Ron Thorne]

snip

Maybe I do some selling to my wife tonight......

[BFrank]

Boston Globe
Fripp plays favorites with a new King Crimson

Harrison is a monster, for sure. Deserves the lead drum 'chair' in that band.

[BeBop]

Can't help but mention Jim Alfredson's latest project: http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/theo

Prog rock outing for the "Organissimo guy". Friend of mine and perhaps of other folks here too.

It's a Kickstartr-like fund drive.

(That's about as hard-sell as I get. )

[Gentle Giant]

I won't spoil it for anyone as I would think the band will not vary that much but there are 3 or 4 huge surprises - compositions that have not been played for 40 years and and 2 or 3 that have never been played live. One being the great tune "One More Red Nightmare"

So I spoiled just a little.

If I do go, I would buy great tickets and it would be worth the $500 I would spend.

Maybe I do some selling to my wife tonight......

I hope you're successful. Would be interested in your impressions of Mel Collins' playing. He does some fierce blowing.

[Gentle Giant]

For that matter, a friend of mine's band just released its debut album. He's the keyboardist and has played in Genesis and Yes cover bands, but his current group, Heliopolis, is by no means a clone of either. You can stream all five tracks in their entirety here for free:

http://10trecords.com/artists/genres/progressive-experimental/heliopolis/discography/

[Steve Reynolds]

I won't spoil it for anyone as I would think the band will not vary that much but there are 3 or 4 huge surprises - compositions that have not been played for 40 years and and 2 or 3 that have never been played live. One being the great tune "One More Red Nightmare"

So I spoiled just a little.

If I do go, I would buy great tickets and it would be worth the $500 I would spend.

Maybe I do some selling to my wife tonight......

I hope you're successful. Would be interested in your impressions of Mel Collins' playing. He does some fierce blowing.

Unsuccessful plus I put my back out a bit as well. Going to the chiropractor again tomorrow and just trying to get through at least most of tomorrow at work.

Good news - three more jazz shows set for October - plus need to save the money I would have spent for a new car to be bought by the end of next month - hopefully a nice royal blue 2015 Mustang...

[Gentle Giant]

I hope you're successful. Would be interested in your impressions of Mel Collins' playing. He does some fierce blowing.

Unsuccessful plus I put my back out a bit as well. Going to the chiropractor again tomorrow and just trying to get through at least most of tomorrow at work.

Good news - three more jazz shows set for October - plus need to save the money I would have spent for a new car to be bought by the end of next month - hopefully a nice royal blue 2015 Mustang...

Weak!

[Mebobo]

I really messed up on this one! I had a chance to buy One of the last seats available but chose not to for the price. Will be playing in Seattle in just a few weeks and a buddy of mine is going to go so at least I'll be able to experience it somewhat vicariously through his report. Of the show.

I too am a huge fan of Gavin Harrison. I've had the pleasure of seeing him play with POr joins Tree twice. He was also featured on a week or so of drummers on Letterman show a year or two ago and that can be found on YouTube. He also recorded two CD's with a very interesting guy That goes by the name O5RIC and plays what appears to be a Stick guitar. Find them on YouTube as well. Finally, Gavin plays drums with a British funk fusion bass player by the name of Ed Poole that just kills! Of course he has a huge discography of other artists that he's played with but those are some standouts that I'm familiar with.

Cheers!

[BFrank]

I'm going.

I broke down and got a ticket for the Warfield here in SF. Not really THAT expensive after all, especially for what should be a VERY entertaining show.

[Gentle Giant]

I'm going.

I broke down and got a ticket for the Warfield here in SF. Not really THAT expensive after all, especially for what should be a VERY entertaining show.

Costs less than The Eagles, and much better for you!

[Gentle Giant]

Meanwhile, a widely bootlegged Gentle Giant concert (originally an FM broadcast) from 1976 is being officially released by the band's own company, Alucard Music. I'll try to forgive the horrific cover art.



Gentle Giant is delighted to present its first ‘official’ live recording since 1976 “Playing the Fool Live”. Titled “Gentle Giant Live at the Bicentennial”, the recording was taken from a concert on July 3rd 1976 at the Calderone Theater, Hempstead, Long Island, which was broadcast for a local radio station.

There are no overdubs or other enhancements on this very live recording. It features Gentle Giant unedited, uninhibited and unrepentant.

The concert features the best-remembered music from past recordings as well as rare songs from the album “Interview” which the band was supporting at that time.

“Gentle Giant Live At The Bicentennial” 1976 is a 2-CD set release available everywhere from November 18th onwards on Alucard Music https://www.burningshed.com/store/gentlegiant/.

[Ron Thorne]

Mebobo, I thought of you immediately when this thread was started.

JT members, Mebobo (Michael) and I go way back to our days together at KJZZ-FM in Anchorage. He lives in Seattle now.

[Gentle Giant]

Mebobo, I thought of you immediately when this thread was started.

JT members, Mebobo (Michael) and I go way back to our days together at KJZZ-FM in Anchorage. He lives in Seattle now.

Well, that means he's so old he remembers when Beethoven was considered progressive!

[john williams]

I didn't really buy into the three-drummer thing (and one of the drummers, Pat Mastelotto, I really dislike) as it was more visually interesting than musically interesting, but as Fripp has always said, King Crimson is a way of doing things; and the thing that makes Crimson to me the greatest of all the prog outfits, is that it never does it the same twice.

No, this and especially Mastelotto , is a problem. Like you, KC is my favorite prog outfit perhaps because they go beyond the genre. I would still love to see them, despite my Mastelotto hate, in any incarnation. I do miss Bruford.

[Gentle Giant]

Contraband! An unauthorized video clip surfaces. Mel Collins (sax) and Gavin Harrison (right drums) excel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p0Zavx8vg

[Gentle Giant]

Thirty minutes of live yumminess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csA2qxbIfEU

[Gentle Giant]

Exciting news: Steven Wilson remix of Gentle Giant's 1972 classic Octopus will be released in late October. Details in this EPK.